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« on: December 11, 2009, 14:45:34 PM »
http://www.news.com.au/technology/aliens-vs-predator-game-banned-will-not-be-sanitized-for-australia/story-e6frfro0-1225807850199

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"We will not be releasing a sanitised or cut down version for territories where adults are not considered by their governments to be able to make their own entertainment choices," the game's maker, Rebellion Developments, told gaming blog CVG.

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Eh, they're doing you a favor.  Every time a developer bows down to your asinine censors it just reinforces them.  If everyone would refuse to edit their games and you guys made enough of a stink about it the censors would change pretty quick.

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Seconded.

I've had a lot of success with this method at various work places.

Boss: Do it this way
Me: Here are the problems with that method, you sure you want to do it that way?
Boss: Yes, don't argue, just do it

I then do it, to the best of my ability. I don't waver even if I see a better way. I do it exactly as I am told. When it turns out that the way I am doing it is wrong I keep on doing it until I am told otherwise. Wouldn't want to disobey a direction from the boss now would I?
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I then do it, to the best of my ability. I don't waver even if I see a better way. I do it exactly as I am told. When it turns out that the way I am doing it is wrong I keep on doing it until I am told otherwise. Wouldn't want to disobey a direction from the boss now would I?

Something about letting the boss think they are the one who sees a better way of doing it. They want at least the illusion of control.
Only you would bring up Music Man here.  ...and have it be totally relevant.

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It is helpful for making a statement about the stupid laws, but I'm not sure it will provoke more reaction from people in Australia.  Anyone who hasn't cared enough so far will still not care, or will talk about how they'll just get an overseas copy blah blah blah. 

Really, how much more dissent do they need to hear to change this?  It's been going on forever.   Maybe if they hear game developers bagging us out they'll pay more attention, because they're not listening to gaming voters. 
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Maybe if they hear game developers bagging us out they'll pay more attention, because they're not listening to gaming voters.
The game developers are the ones who could move out to Australia to design the games. That is the only instance where the government would be interested in modifying the laws. If game developers say they will not come to Australia cause the censorship laws are shite then the law will be changed. Gamers just don't have a big enough financial power to convince the government to bother changing.
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gaming voters. 

The what now?
Voting gamers?   Goting Vamers?  Flaming Goaters?
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http://www.ag.gov.au/gamesclassification

The government has now opened up to listen to the public. They actually want us to submit comments and opinions on this matter. Will we be heard?
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http://www.ag.gov.au/gamesclassification

The government has now opened up to listen to the public. They actually want us to submit comments and opinions on this matter. Will we be heard?

If it as much use as the UK government's petition site then no you won't be heard. What will happen is your government will tell you "they know what's best for you" if you don't agree with the conclusion they have already come to.
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Re: New AvP game: another "fatality" of the gaming classifications in Australia
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2009, 08:07:28 AM »
I'm a little optimistic.  It's at least acknowledgement that there is a debate going on and that this law isn't just taken for granted.  We'll still need game developers and people with lots of $$$ to be commenting in favour of an adult rating for us to have any hope, however.
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Re: New AvP game: another "fatality" of the gaming classifications in Australia
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2009, 09:40:20 AM »
We'll still need game developers and people with lots of $$$ to be commenting in favour of an adult rating for us to have any hope, however.
And therein lies the.. pinch. You have to be rich.
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Re: New AvP game: another "fatality" of the gaming classifications in Australia
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2009, 06:09:21 AM »
My friend writes a gamming column.  He said there was an update to this story.  I assume this is what he was talking about.

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Re: New AvP game: another "fatality" of the gaming classifications in Australia
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2009, 11:46:00 AM »
Unexpected outbreak of common sense!
At first I was stunned that they would do this but then I realised that the government is hoping that by allowing this one game will appease the hordes of angry gamers so that they can sneak through their Internet Filtering and also distract from the R18+ Game classification debate.
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Re: New AvP game: another "fatality" of the gaming classifications in Australia
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2009, 11:57:38 AM »
Unexpected outbreak of common sense!
At first I was stunned that they would do this but then I realised that the government is hoping that by allowing this one game will appease the hordes of angry gamers so that they can sneak through their Internet Filtering and also distract from the R18+ Game classification debate.

I don't think the OFLC is as deep in the Government's pocket as you think. Like Centrelink (Social Security business for the foreigners) they enforce the law and are on the government payroll, but have no say in making the laws. In regards to classification and censorship, that's the doman of the Attorny-General.

Better example: it's like saying that cops make the law, whereas they just enforce it.
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Re: New AvP game: another "fatality" of the gaming classifications in Australia
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2009, 14:32:10 PM »
The enforcers have the power to influence the legislators. They could say they're hands are tied and they need more flexibility.
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Re: New AvP game: another "fatality" of the gaming classifications in Australia
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2009, 15:01:06 PM »
I don't think enforcers have a significant role to play in influencing legislation that much.  They really are just there as the arms & legs of the legislators.

I want to know on what grounds the decision was overturned.  What wriggle room do they have?  Did they make a mistake the first time around?  Did they refer back to some precedent or something like that?
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