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Gaming addiction law suit
« on: August 30, 2010, 11:19:16 AM »
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A US FEDERAL judge has ruled that a man who says he's psychologically dependent and addicted to an online video game can proceed with some of his lawsuit against the game's South Korean manufacturer.
Craig Smallwood says "Lineage II'' left him unable to function independently in daily activities, such as getting dressed, bathing or communicating with family and friends.
Smallwood says he's spent more than 20,000 hours playing the multiplayer online role-playing game since 2004.
The 51-year-old says NCSoft Corp. never warned him about the danger of game addiction.
A Honolulu law firm that represents the company had urged that the case be dismissed, but US District Judge Alan Kay in his August 4 ruling allowed half of the eight counts to continue.

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Does this mean I can sue Cadbury?  They never warned me about the addictiveness of chocolate.
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2010, 15:56:10 PM »
This is just plain stupid. I reckon we should introduce a new law to have all the safety labels removed from all products for 6 months. Those left alive after the 6 months are welcome back to the human race. Those who didn't make it weren't coming back anyway.
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2010, 04:31:13 AM »
In the US we don't require warning labels informing the public of the addictiveness of chemicals that are sold.  If we did, an argument might be made that the requirement should be extended to things that are psychologically addicting.  Even then, he should be suing his government over failing to require such labeling, not the company which has no legal requirement or precedent to do so.

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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2010, 10:13:57 AM »
No, he should be shutting the fuck up and sorting out his own mess, that's what he should be doing.
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2010, 10:46:08 AM »
My response was sufficiently laden with "if"s and "might"s.

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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2010, 12:54:43 PM »
No one cares when I use qualifiers, so why should you be special?

I would like to be protected from my own stupidity, but I've found that warning labels aren't effective.  Some kind of electrified field, or maybe a government program that quarantines my income and only lets me spend it on certain things would be nice.
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2010, 01:21:50 AM »
This reminds me of the login message in FFXI:

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A Word to Our Players

Exploring Vana'diel is a thrilling experience.
During your time here, you will be able to talk, join,
and adventure with many other individuals in an experience
that is unique to online games.

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suffer as a consequence.
Don't forget your family, your friends, your school,
or your work.

Also, a few years ago I seem to remember reading about a mass addiction to...I want to say Dragon Quest 8... in Japan after the game's release, so bad that people weren't showing up to work. Probably just rumor, though.

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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2010, 10:37:22 AM »
Japanese people not showing up to work?!   Holy shit, that is bad.
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2010, 11:09:25 AM »
I would like to be protected from my own stupidity, but I've found that warning labels aren't effective.  Some kind of electrified field, or maybe a government program that quarantines my income and only lets me spend it on certain things would be nice.

Speaking as someone who yesterday filled his mum's diesel car with unleaded petrol and is now out $20,000 to replace the motor, I agree with this post. People fuck up, and when you do it's your responsibility to fix it.
Only you would bring up Music Man here.  ...and have it be totally relevant.

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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2010, 11:13:12 AM »
I would like to be protected from my own stupidity, but I've found that warning labels aren't effective.  Some kind of electrified field, or maybe a government program that quarantines my income and only lets me spend it on certain things would be nice.

Speaking as someone who yesterday filled his mum's diesel car with unleaded petrol and is now out $20,000 to replace the motor, I agree with this post. People fuck up, and when you do it's your responsibility to fix it.
This explains the random "brain fart" SMS last night. I thought you were just finally having a mental breakdown.
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2010, 11:40:47 AM »
I thought you were just finally having a mental breakdown.

In a way, yes :P
Only you would bring up Music Man here.  ...and have it be totally relevant.

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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2010, 19:55:05 PM »
Speaking as someone who yesterday filled his mum's diesel car with unleaded petrol and is now out $20,000 to replace the motor, I agree with this post. People fuck up, and when you do it's your responsibility to fix it.
Does the insurance cover any of that?
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2010, 20:16:59 PM »
Speaking as someone who yesterday filled his mum's diesel car with unleaded petrol and is now out $20,000 to replace the motor, I agree with this post. People fuck up, and when you do it's your responsibility to fix it.
Does the insurance cover any of that?

Insurance doesn't come into it. That's because I lucked out, and stopped the car before the petrol blew the engine or bent a conrod. $400 for labour to drain the fuel tank, pump, injectors and engine and check the engine for faults. Dodged a fricken bullet I did.
Only you would bring up Music Man here.  ...and have it be totally relevant.

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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2010, 22:09:59 PM »
So you don't have to pay $20,000?
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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2010, 22:30:29 PM »
Nope. Just $400. Yay for me.
Only you would bring up Music Man here.  ...and have it be totally relevant.

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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2010, 22:39:21 PM »
Well that is a relief.
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2010, 02:30:35 AM »
In the US, the pump for diesel is noticeably larger than the one for unleaded.  So you can't even get diesel into an unleaded car and if you tried to put unleaded into a diesel it would be really apparent you had the wrong pump right away.

I supposed that would fall under protecting people from themselves and Lanky and Cider would be against that.  Personally, I've seen plenty of really intelligent, aware people reach for that wrong pump early in the morning and be saved by that size difference.

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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2010, 02:50:22 AM »
In the US, the pump for diesel is noticeably larger than the one for unleaded.  So you can't even get diesel into an unleaded car and if you tried to put unleaded into a diesel it would be really apparent you had the wrong pump right away.

I supposed that would fall under protecting people from themselves and Lanky and Cider would be against that.  Personally, I've seen plenty of really intelligent, aware people reach for that wrong pump early in the morning and be saved by that size difference.

No Size difference here unless it's a high-flow diesel pump used for trucks. There's usually a pad one needs to press before the diesel nozzle is released by the bowser with WARNING DIESEL written on it, though. The petrol pumps just lift off.

I just wasn't thinking. I'd driven 1600km, running on minimal sleep at WorldCon and looking forward to getting home in 3 hours to a nice bed with no one else in the room and just wasn't paying attention. It didn't help my cause that the petrol at Caltex is called "Vortex" (as opposed to the petrol/ethanol blend which is called "E10") and the diesel is "Vortex Diesel", with the same colour and pattern as the unleaded petrol. But, apart from getting towed back to Sydney (for free; thanks NRMA!) and the $400 no harm done.
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2010, 07:58:24 AM »
I supposed that would fall under protecting people from themselves and Lanky and Cider would be against that.  Personally, I've seen plenty of really intelligent, aware people reach for that wrong pump early in the morning and be saved by that size difference.
Did I say I was against small convenient ways to avoid honest mistakes?  I thought I was just in favour of people not wasting everyone's time & money in court because of something they did to themselves, while simultaneously making fun of the fact that I'm the exact sort of person that ignores warning labels.  Having different sized pumps sounds like a good idea.  Denise suing a company like BP because he wasn't paying attention is... probably... still a good idea... I withdraw my questioning.

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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2010, 12:19:45 PM »
Lucky man.

I know this girl who is REALLY REALLY dumb, she ruined her car that way. In her defense, she'd only had it for a month or so, so "forgot" what type of fuel to use, but also this was in CA, where she had to "fight" (her word) to get the "stupid fuel" in the "stupid tank." Of course, as it was the wrong type of fuel, the car was designed to stop her from doing it. But she did.

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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2010, 14:10:52 PM »
Most of the petrol stations actually have the diesel pumps away from the regular unleaded pumps so that the trucks can get better access to them.

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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2010, 14:29:28 PM »
Most of the petrol stations actually have the diesel pumps away from the regular unleaded pumps so that the trucks can get better access to them.

Those are only the high-flow pumps. Regular diesel pumps are often attached to the same bowser as petrol.


Lucky man.

I know this girl who is REALLY REALLY dumb, she ruined her car that way. In her defense, she'd only had it for a month or so, so "forgot" what type of fuel to use...
I guess the fact the engine didn't sieze up is lucky, But i drove less then 5km before relising something was wrong and stopping, then traced my steps and realised what a dumb move I'd made. Without getting into too much technical stuff, the wrong fuel causes the engine to lose power sporadically as the cylinders start to misfire. As soon as the car started losing/gaining power and the engine started knocking, regardless of what causes it, you turn it off. I got lucky in that I stopped before anything was damaged, but you'd have to be a real ditz to not notice the engine failing on you and keep driving.
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2010, 17:28:49 PM »
I love how you Sherlock Holmes.... your own crime.
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2010, 14:34:41 PM »
Yeah, lucky LG. I've only ever seen the diesel bowsers with a special latch that you need to lift before you can access the diesel. It also has black/yellow warning lines and says "Warning Diesel" on it.

Back to the original post: FUCK. So can I sue every fast food chain because they didn't warn me that their food tastes shit? Can I sue my government for not punishing all the dickhead drivers I see? Can I sue God for not protecting me from Satan?

This dude's a douche. A tool. A fuckknuckle. As if anyone with a predisposition to an addiction is going to pay attention to an addiction warning, anyway. I can't believe the judge allowed it. Will he now allow us to sue the furniture company because the chair was 1 millimetre too high and now I have permanent spasmodic fucked-uppedness? Lame piece of dorkshitframecut.
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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2010, 15:37:59 PM »
Dork... shit... framecut?     A piece... thereof? 

You have much to teach me.
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« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2010, 16:39:41 PM »
The judge didn't rule in his favor, he just allowed him to have his almost sure to fail case heard.  I think we'll all live.

It's his money, and in the end he'll almost certainly have to pay the company's legal fees too, so the company being sued doesn't even lose out.  There's just one guy out a lot of money and a couple lawyers with a little more.  No one else in the world is effected.  What's the problem?

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« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2010, 16:53:03 PM »
Um... the fact that there exists even just one person whose locus of control is so far out there in outer space that they'd actually attempt this shit?

What if I bump into him on the street one day?   What might happen to me?  What might happen to him that he'll sue me for?

Raaaaaaaaaage.
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« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2010, 17:00:03 PM »
No one else in the world is effected.  What's the problem?
First, grammar is affected. Second, I sympathise with cider's raaage on this one. I could paraphrase your answer as, "The judge didn't rule in his favour; the judge only ruled that he is allowed to waste the collective system's time, effort and money."

You could argue that money, like energy, is conserved, simply flowing from one part of the universe to another. But this sounds like the judge just didn't have the mogambos to just say no. Conservation be damned, what about me!
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2010, 17:02:38 PM »
He has to pay court fees.  No one but him is out anything.

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« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2010, 17:09:14 PM »
He has to pay court fees.  No one but him is out anything.
Does he also have the magical ability to give the court back the time it spent on this?   What about the people whose cases had to wait for this one to be dealt with first? 

This man might actually also have a driver's license.  Have you considered that?  He might actually operate a vehicle at high speeds.

Oh my god, I'm screaming in terror just thinking about it.
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2010, 23:25:56 PM »
On the way home today, a bad driver nearly cut me off until I swerved out of the way. She noticed and returned to her lane. However, she then managed to cut off the car behind me. Somehow, she failed to see two cars in a row. Anyway, she forced this second car into the gutter, whereupon that driver tooted the horn at her. What did this bad, cutting-off driver do?

No, she didn't apologise. She stopped. In the middle of traffic. Gesticulating wildly, and what looked like shouting, at the car she had nearly just rammed. After a few moments, she continued on, the whole time (because I could see her in my rear view mirror) shuddering like a dog raring for a fight, flailing her hands about, and talking vehemently to her passenger, who was laughing at the whole situation.


Just because someone can do something; and just because they think they're right; it doesn't mean they should be allowed to waste everyone else's time and energy. Especially when they are obviously wrong.

What scares me is that people like this may actually believe that they have a valid case. They may not just be fishing for money.
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2010, 02:28:32 AM »
The court's time is very much part of what he pays for.

The judge threw out 4 of his 8 counts without even allowing them to be heard.  They were obviously considered frivolous or unsubstantiated.  This is new unexplored legal territory.  The next guy that comes along with something like this can't have his entire case thrown out until a precedent is set that this kind of case is frivolous.

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« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2010, 11:26:12 AM »
US Law is all about precedence, so as this guy is the first doober to do it, he gets to be the guinea pig. Unlike the UK (and I'm guessing Aussie land) which rules based on common sense law, the US likes to toy with the first case, playing cat to the proverbial mouse.

But Super is right, this guy will waste $ and it will all be over, and noone else will be able to claim something similar without being referred to this case example.
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« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2010, 12:25:25 PM »
I was more interested in the potential impact of this man's personality flaws on the community at large than the court system itself, but if you want to make it about court time, I fail to see how paying money makes it all better.   Don't frivolous cases like this clog up the system and make it less efficient?  What about the people with somewhat more sensible claims who have to wait while the court tells this guy something his mother should have taught him a couple of decades ago?

I don't think there's a problem with judges hearing cases that they are obliged to hear in order to follow the letter of the law, but a little social backlash on stuff like this helps deter people from setting precedents that shouldn't need to be set.   I'm just providing that backlash - for free, as a community service.
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2010, 17:50:24 PM »
Sure, but the "public" think that OJ did it.

Shows how much THEY know....
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« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2010, 18:03:11 PM »
You think he didn't?  Or is this some kind of subtle joke that I've missed?   
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« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2010, 18:05:22 PM »
Of course not.

You were offering public opinion for free, I was pointing out that it takes a court system of established precedence to make a decision a common person would go "uh, duh." Otherwise bad things happen.
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2010, 18:52:05 PM »
Well, this is a common law claim we're discussing, and in OJ Simpson's civil court case he was found liable for the wrongful death of Nicole Simpson.  That was not a test trial - wrongful deaths claims had already been given a legal basis and precedents a-plenty for a long time in many countries, not just the US. 

A criminal trial is completely different to a civil one, but if that's what you are referring to anyway, I'd point out that bringing a suspect to court with sufficient evidence to try him for the apparent murder of someone is not exactly what I'd call a frivolous waste of the court's time.  He was acquitted because the prosecution was unable to demonstrate his guilt beyond reasonable doubt.  That has more to do with the LAPD being incompetent fucknuts rather than OJ's actual innocence, which I have serious doubts about. 

So how is this relevant again?
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2010, 19:55:29 PM »
No idea, however the US system works, and I like living here. So I'll suffer a weird lawsuit every now and again if it means America keeps being free.
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Re: Gaming addiction law suit
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2010, 23:39:38 PM »
Yeah, I'd rather have my right to my day in court and have to "suffer" through some dumbass being allowed his than the alternative.

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« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2010, 00:25:10 AM »
the US likes to toy with the first case, playing cat to the proverbial mouse.
Interesting..

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« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2010, 05:14:09 AM »
Doober is negative.  Goober, to me, implies a well meaning but goofy and failing person.  A doober is similar but more likely to inflict uncomfortable feelings on other people, though probably not intentionally.  So where a goober might be entertaining and harmless, a doober is someone you'd never want to invite over to you house.  Where the line is drawn probably has more to do with one's tolerance for morons.

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« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2010, 11:50:40 AM »
Although I also use Doober as an endearing term. If a moron pisses me off, he's probably a fuckwit.
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« Reply #43 on: October 02, 2010, 01:27:45 AM »
No idea, however the US system works, and I like living here. So I'll suffer a weird lawsuit every now and again if it means America keeps being free.
Yeah, I'd rather have my right to my day in court and have to "suffer" through some dumbass being allowed his than the alternative.

FFS, both of you can't read?    I wasn't arguing to change the system - I was arguing that this guy is a douchebag and his douchebaggery is potentially an inconvenience for others. Oh, and that this has no parallels with OJ Simpson (nice dodge). I said nothing about taking away anyone's rights, even for douchebags. But rather than go over this another 50 times, I'd just like to solemly apologise for joining the Taliban or pissing on the Bill of Rights or whatever I've done to make you both go into God Bless America mode.  Can you go back to normal now?  You're scaring me. 
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« Reply #44 on: October 02, 2010, 01:43:15 AM »
I'm with you that he's a douchebag.  You lose me when you claim that it's an inconvenience to others.  I kind of like that I have my right to be a douchebag, and I put up with other douchebags as part of that deal.  I've never worked in the thick of the court system, so I don't know if lawsuits like this put any strain on it or other people.  Maybe it does.  If it does, I might be able to work up a little more disgust.

I have no idea what OJ has to do with any of this.

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« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2010, 02:02:56 AM »
Well, I can agree to disagree on the inconvenience point, but it's really making my head hurt how this keeps coming back to the right to do this, the right to do that.  I have a right to do a lot of things that are annoying and stupid.  I fully support the idea that people have the right to stand in the middle of the escalator and not let anyone else get past but that doesn't stop it being annoying and inconvenient to me.   Just like I support people having the right to freedom of speech even when they're saying things I don't want to hear or that are just plain stupid or even things that cause trouble.  However, having the right to free speech doesn't mean that the exercise of that freedom is immune from criticism.
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« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2010, 03:10:39 AM »
I guess the difference is the escalator thing actually directly inconveniences me.

I'm with you that the guy is stupid, but lots of people waste their money on stupider things everyday.

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« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2010, 15:00:54 PM »
1/ Nothing is wrong with Fresh Squeezed OJ.

2/ God Bless America.
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« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2010, 15:09:48 PM »
Actually... after going to a talk on the weekend that mentioned how a litigious society means companies often have to pre-empt even the stupidest lawsuits, thus being why we can't have nice things, I have to wonder if being able to go to court over anything you like really equals freedom.    It's the freedom to go to court, but not freedom in other ways.  Do I make sense?  Probably not. 

Anyway, what happens if this guy does win his case?  Why shouldn't we be trying to shape culture so that people don't think it's someone else's fault all the time and that we must have a 100% safety rate on everything (which is impossible)?  Isn't there a better way to deal with shit than going to civil court?
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« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2010, 09:30:53 AM »
Maybe, but the US is an inherently litigious society. It's like, genetic for them, or something.
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« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2010, 09:40:31 AM »
Yeah... like OJ is totally guilty because he's black.  It's genetic.
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« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2010, 09:44:50 AM »
Super should jump in here - he has a great monologue about how race and income statistics explain why there are so many African American arrests every year. I agree with 90% of it, it's just when he starts the "corporations are all... corporation-y and therefore evil" part that he loses me.
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« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2010, 09:50:54 AM »
Well, there's also stereotype priming as well.  And that's helped along quite a bit by advertising, and advertising is driven by corporations.  So yeah, I pretty much agree that corporations fuck everything up. 

But I don't need that monologue.  I want the monologue about the massive societal and individual benefits of having a chance to be monetarily reimbursed every time something goes wrong in your life, and how it makes up for all the drawbacks.   And about why it'd all be okay if this idiot won his lawsuit.
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« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2010, 09:55:39 AM »
...it wouldn't be okay, but he has a right to sue and let it be resolved. I would rather that than be unable to contest something I thought was unjust.

It's not "everytime something goes wrong" - it's if you suffered at the hands of a company that suckered you in to something, and did not correctly outline the risks. Again, Super is better at arguing this (and he will, as he is for personal protection and legislation than for straight up free-for-all), but this chap believes that a gaming company did the equivalent of getting him hooked on crack (the first month was free!). He has a right, however misguided, to vent in a public forum and let the law decide. Makes sense to me.
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« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2010, 10:19:42 AM »
And I'm sure the law will respondly totally rationally and in the interests of all. Let us not question the law. 

Not that I was disputing having the right, but by the by, saying "he has the right" isn't really a sufficient argument, because rights are social constructs. 

But more importantly, you also haven't explained why he should exercise his right just because he has it.  I have a right to go up to every fat or ugly person I see on the street and tell them just how disgusting I think they are, but I can also see lots of good arguments as to why I shouldn't exercise that right.  Culturally we discourage that kind of behaviour even if we have the right.  I would not prosecute someone for exercising that right but I wouldn't support them in doing it either. 

We're able to be more liberal in the rights we afford to people precisely because there are unlegislated standards of behaviour that we hold people to and when people exercise their rights in ways that are damaging to everyone else, there's a social or community backlash.  If you don't have that - if it's not your business to speak up every time someone uses their rights in this way, then you end up with a community that will be reluctant to grant all the rights we want to everyone, and we have to exclude certain rights that are potentially useful just because they are also potentially damaging.

How are you not in danger of creating a paternalistic nanny state with this kind of culture?   

And how is it compatible with capitalism and the so-called free market if you're telling companies that if the product they make is too good, they're in danger of being penalised?
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« Reply #55 on: October 08, 2010, 12:21:14 PM »
But more importantly, you also haven't explained why he should exercise his right just because he has it.  I have a right to go up to every fat or ugly person I see on the street and tell them just how disgusting I think they are, but I can also see lots of good arguments as to why I shouldn't exercise that right. 

He has the right because he is venting a grievance through Gov-approved channels. He is doing it, well, because he's an idiot?

I don't know if insulting people and being grossly rude is something you would say you did as a reaction to their ugliness (as he is suing as a reaction to his gaming problem), but I agree you have many reasons to not do something like that. I would assume he is less informed about what constitutes causing an addiction, or is really broke, and is just another misguided soul - as I assume those with honest racist beliefs to also be.
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« Reply #56 on: October 08, 2010, 12:34:53 PM »
Well, he's not going to be better informed if people just pat him on the head and say "Good on you for exercising your civil right."   
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« Reply #57 on: October 08, 2010, 12:37:36 PM »
No, it will get shut down soon and be over (hopefully). America doesn't work to stop people from suing other people, that's why it's so decent to be a lawyer. If America DID try to stop these kinda of frivolous lawsuits, people would probably sue those limiting bodies. Who knows, it's a whacked system, but I love living here.
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« Reply #58 on: December 15, 2010, 17:51:24 PM »
Extra Extra read all about it

Man sues God for addiction to air and water

God is not amused.
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« Reply #59 on: December 15, 2010, 21:05:05 PM »
Well, that would make sense.  If you create a person and make them dependent on those things to the point where they can't live life without them, then I think you should liable - especially if you are then also their supplier.
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« Reply #60 on: December 15, 2010, 21:37:18 PM »
Do you reckon Hades or Otter can confirm whether God is the supplier?
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« Reply #61 on: December 15, 2010, 22:05:52 PM »
No, but in the court case they can TESTIFY!

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« Reply #62 on: December 18, 2010, 09:32:53 AM »
No, but in the court case they can TESTIFY!

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« Reply #63 on: December 19, 2010, 16:44:58 PM »
Do you reckon Hades or Otter can confirm whether God is the supplier?

They have to keep it locked to this realm, if God were called to the stand (and came) I doubt the attorneys would be able to keep it on topic.
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« Reply #64 on: December 19, 2010, 17:47:42 PM »
Do you reckon Hades or Otter can confirm whether God is the supplier?
if God were called to the stand (and came)

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« Reply #65 on: December 19, 2010, 19:00:39 PM »
if God were called to the stand (and came) I doubt the attorneys would be able to keep it on topic.
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« Reply #66 on: December 20, 2010, 13:32:51 PM »
if God were called to the stand (and came) I doubt the attorneys would be able to keep it on topic.
lol, well said

Thanks.

Back on topic, I figure the next amendment to the US Constitution: if you do stupid shit, you can't blame anyone for it.

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SUPREME COURT TO DECIDE IF SPILLING HOT COFFEE ON YOURSELF FALLS UNDER "STUPID SHIT" DOCTRINE! MCDONALDS MAY BE OFF THE HOOK!

SUPREME COURT TO DECIDE IF EATING THIRTY BIG MAC'S A DAY FALLS UNDER "STUPID SHIT" DOCTRINE! MCDONALDS MAY BE OFF THE HOOK!

SUPREME COURT TO DECIDE IF PLAYING ONLINE VID GAMES ALL DAY FALLS UNDER "U VIRGIN LOL / STUPID SHIT" DOCTRINE! BLIZZARD MAY BE OFF THE HOOK!
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« Reply #67 on: December 20, 2010, 16:34:37 PM »
Oh God, these were all real lawsuits, weren't they...
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« Reply #68 on: December 20, 2010, 17:36:29 PM »
Oh God, these were all real lawsuits, weren't they...

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