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Finding Child Pornography
« on: March 23, 2010, 05:23:15 PM »
Given that the government is telling us that it is bringing in this filter to protect us from Child Pornography it got me thinking, how easy is it to find the CP now without the filter?

Obviously the first place to start is with Google and Yahoo. I would assume that they filter out actual CP results but we should try it as the average internet user would start there. As it happens, Google appears to be doing a very good job with filtering out the Child Pornography sites. Yahoo is much the same.

The next logical step would be something like Kazaa or Limewire or something similar. Not wanting to sully my own computer I chose to skip this step.

So I have not been able to find any Child Pornography using the regular methods. The methods that will be blocked by the Government's Filter.

Since I already had Freenet installed I gave it a shot on there. Within 5 minutes (it is a slow system) I had found some. Freenet won't be affected by the Government's Filter.

So my little experiment has produced the following results:
  • Child Pornography isn't that easy to stumble upon via regular methods
  • Child Pornography is really easy to find on a system that the Filter won't affect any way

This raises some questions.
  • Why did the Government think that it would be possible to block Child Pornography by targeting a medium that doesn't have much Child Pornography?
  • What will the Government do when the Public realises that the Wonderful PlanTM doesn't actually work the way they have been told it would but has instead restricted Free Speech in our country?

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Re: Finding Child Pornography
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2010, 05:33:21 PM »
Firstly, you are a hero of the common man, searching out CP on your own personal computer. Wow. You just did something I have never done.  ;D

Jokes aside, I think the CONCEPT of CP is more the offensive party - /b/ members post a picture of a teenage girl, whatever. But no, they post a picture of her and her HIGH SCHOOL ID card. It's almost CP is seen as a 'win' - maybe because the internet has made so much stuff easy to grab, the 'Everest' challenge has to be something so much more hardcore.

I would argue that when someone makes an illegal Everest challenge, the governing body steps up to the plate - more to do with public perception than anything else. This screen for CP is a slam dunk, noone is going to take on the PR machine against it, and if google and yahoo are already doing it's job, it has a 100% win factor right out the gate.
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Re: Finding Child Pornography
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2010, 12:45:01 AM »
Firstly, you are a hero of the common man, searching out CP on your own personal computer. Wow. You just did something I have never done.  ;D
On an interesting side note the Google Autocomplete does not suggest Child Pornography at all but there are many results there, all regarding how it is bad and how to fight against it.

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Re: Finding Child Pornography
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2010, 02:27:23 AM »
Firstly, you are a hero of the common man, searching out CP on your own personal computer. Wow. You just did something I have never done.  ;D

Nothing heroic about it Hades. Your chances of being sprung for simply searching are minuscule. I spent, and do still occasionally spend a lot of time on Limewire, Napster (yep, I was doing it that long ago) and other mediums looking for it to report it when found. I also hosted "Sets" full of the image like the attached (note filenames etc) to see who downloads them. They really are, sadly, quite popular. This is called setting a Honeypot. It's how the feds do it, and this is how they make their catches. Other busts are the results of an agent infiltrating a forum and logging IP's, or IT folks discovering it on machines in for repairs. These are really the only way of catching people. Squillions of queries get run a day through dozens of search engines, there's just too much data to run to do it any other way.

Given that the government is telling us that it is bringing in this filter to protect us from Child Pornography it got me thinking, how easy is it to find the CP now without the filter?

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This is definitely not the angle to be fighting though Lanky. People charge lasers when the see reference to child pornography, the anchors drop, and Joe Public says "AHH! so it IS about CP! No wonder all you freaks are so angsty about it! You're worried your going to lose your access to it!" It is a dangerous argument to make. We all know its all over torrents, webmail inboxes and free/darknets, but Joe Public doesn't. (hell, Joe Public doesn't even know what a darknet is, or how to access freenet or torrents). You'll notice none of the big protest groups make any type of reference to this type of content, indeed, they rarely say anything about content being available by other means. There is good reason. Wrong angle, and counter productive. You first need to explain what a darknet is, then work from there, assuming they don't glaze over on your explanation.

It is far more powerful however to argue something every adult knows and respects without a 5 page technical explanation. Personal freedoms. Drill into people that they are forfeiting their rights, and that someone else on the government thinks their moralities are better, and watch people light the fuck up. Your second points then become speeds on an already archaic platform will drop dramatically, and people can already do filtering in the home, which is a far more elegant and smart solution.

As to everyone going "lol go back to the freenets, they cant stop us there!" there is fuck all on it but porn and tin hat conspiracy theory fodder. This is why I bailed on it years ago is. I'm not going to bother going back there. I can find everything I need through Google.

What I ask you lanky, is what is your main beef with the filter? The fact your rights are being violated or the fact all the shit you look at will become harder to look at? Considering your spearhead appears to be, and always has been, the second, I would say you're butthurt that your precious e-pussy will be harder to access, and that you don't give two shits about the fact our government thinks it's morality is better than our own.
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Re: Finding Child Pornography
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2010, 02:36:01 AM »
Also, because I'm discovering more and more (which is why I'm on forums like this less and less) people always assume my responses are personal attacks as opposed to reading what I'm actually saying from an objective perspective, I will disclaim this now before anyone gets sand in their vagina.
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Re: Finding Child Pornography
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2010, 10:40:10 AM »
The last time I went on /b/, there was a thread with a self-proclaimed pedofag fresh out of prison answering questions.  I thought at first it was just trolling, but if so, this person had a really scary, intricate, on-the-spot imagination about this kind of shit.  Anyway, he claimed that it's ridiculously easy to find CP on Limewire. 

P2P file sharing won't be prevented by the internet filter as far as I'm aware.  The problem is that I think CP is just a smokescreen for this net filter, and even if P2P sharing is pointed out as a bigger source of concern, I think it will simply drive popular support behind clamping down on that, which is just retarded.

Besides, I think the producers of CP are far more important to catch than the people viewing it.

The main point of the debate is that the government has the power to create a blacklist of illegal content that is not accessible to the public, and that we've allowed several pieces of legislation to pass over the past couple of decades that outlaws a lot of content that should be protected by free speech.  First thing is to the stop the net filter.  Then I think we should address how such things became illegal in the first place.  Then people need to learn their lesson and pay attention from now on.  This filter wouldn't be nearly as much a threat to our rights if the content deemed "illegal" wasn't so far-reaching.  CP is only the tip of the iceberg in this.

Hey, would it be okay to rename this thread as "finding CP"?  I just realised that a pretty dodgy phrase is showing up as the name of the page I'm viewing. It's my fault but still... can we?
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Re: Finding Child Pornography
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2010, 11:23:28 AM »
I think the main beef with the Internet Filter is that it has been proposed with much political will, despite public protestation, despite the obvious lack of knowledge, despite being useless at preventing the very thing it claims to be aimed it.

It's not really that the Internet will be slower. Australian broadband is already inferior.
It's this: that ignorant politicians are proposing measures that knowledgeable individuals understand will be relatively useless.

One's beef is that it is a confounding political act. Really, why would this be proposed? Can you understand it?
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Re: Finding Child Pornography
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2010, 02:34:16 PM »
I would like to point out that google etc is doing the filter's job FOR IT, as google can legally choose to not display some search results. The filter is not a solution.
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Re: Finding Child Pornography
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2010, 03:03:23 PM »
Yeah, seeing as Google has suppressed Encyclopedia Dramatica articles, for example, it seems a little hypocritical of them to be all anti-censorship. BUT by not showing CP results when searched for, they kind of help our case.  It would be nice, especially in the case of ED articles suppressed just for offending someone else, that we could turn that on & off like the Safe Search setting of their image search.

Opt-out filter isn't really much better than a mandatory filter, considering we'd have to put our names down every time we want to get around it.  Opt-in filter I don't have much of a problem with.  It costs money still, but it might be useful for places like libraries, schools, open wireless access points in businesses, and lazy parents who don't understand the internet.
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Re: Finding Child Pornography
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2010, 03:44:01 PM »
Okay, safe search off, google "PoE Tits."


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